Im still making payments on this and im so mad!! is there anything I can do? Or do I just eat the cost of getting it fixed? Im not even sure what is going on!
I took it to minekee and they wanted $500.00 just to tell me what was wrong!!!
Too much so I had my neighbor tow it back home for me
HELP!!!
Oregon Lemon Law Statutes
Oregon's Lemon Law - Oregon Revised Statutes 646.315-375
646.315 Definitions for ORS 646.315 to 646.375.
As used in ORS 646.315 to 646.375:
"Consumer" means:
The purchaser or lessee, other than for purposes of resale, of a new motor vehicle normally used for personal, family or household purposes;
Any person to whom a new motor vehicle used for personal, family or household purposes is transferred for the same purposes during the duration of an express warranty applicable to such motor vehicle; and
Any other person entitled by the terms of such warranty to enforce the obligations of the warranty.
"Motor vehicle" means a passenger motor vehicle as defined in ORS 801.360 that is sold in this state.
646.325 Availability of remedy.
The remedy under the provisions of ORS 646.315 to 646.375 is available to a consumer if:
A new motor vehicle does not conform to applicable manufacturer's express warranties;
The consumer reports each nonconformity to the manufacturer, its agent or its authorized dealer, for the purpose of repair or correction, during the period of one year following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to the consumer or during the period ending on the date on which the mileage on the motor vehicle reaches 12,000 miles, whichever period ends earlier; and
The manufacturer has received direct written notification from or on behalf of the consumer and has had an opportunity to correct the alleged defect. "Notification" under this subsection includes, but is not limited to, a request by the consumer for an informal dispute settlement procedure under ORS 646.355.
646.335 Consumer's remedies; manufacturer's affirmative defenses.
If the manufacturer or its agents or authorized dealers are unable to conform the motor vehicle to any applicable manufacturer's express warranty by repairing or correcting any defect or condition that substantially impairs the use, market value or safety of the motor vehicle to the consumer after a reasonable number of attempts, the manufacturer shall:
Replace the motor vehicle with a new motor vehicle; or
Accept return of the vehicle from the consumer and refund to the consumer the full purchase or lease price paid, including taxes, license and registration fees and any similar collateral charges excluding interest, less a reasonable allowance for the consumer's use of the vehicle.
Refunds shall be made to the consumer and lienholder, if any, as their interests may appear. A reasonable allowance for use is that amount directly attributable to use by the consumer prior to the first report of the nonconformity to the manufacturer, agent or dealer and during any subsequent period when the vehicle is not out of service by reason of repair.
It shall be an affirmative defense to any claim under ORS 646.315 to 646.375:
That an alleged nonconformity does not substantially impair such use, market value or safety; or
That a nonconformity is the result of abuse, neglect or unauthorized modifications or alterations of the motor vehicle by the consumer.
646.345 Presumption of reasonable attempt to conform; extension of time for repairs; notice to manufacturer.
It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a motor vehicle to the applicable manufacturer's express warranties if, during the period of one year following the date of original delivery of the motor vehicle to a consumer or during the period ending on the date on which the mileage on the motor vehicle reaches 12,000 miles, whichever period ends earlier:
The same nonconformity has been subject to repair or correction four or more times by the manufacturer or its agent or authorized dealer, but such nonconformity continues to exist; or
The vehicle is out of service by reason of repair or correction for a cumulative total of 30 or more business days.
A repair or correction for purposes of subsection (1) of this section includes a repair that must take place after the expiration of the earlier of either period.
The period ending on the date on which the mileage on the motor vehicle reaches 12,000 miles, the one-year period and the 30-day period shall be extended by any period of time during which repair services are not available to the consumer because of a war, invasion, strike, fire, flood or other natural disaster.
In no event shall the presumption described in subsection (1) of this section apply against a manufacturer unless the manufacturer has received prior direct written notification from or on behalf of the consumer and has had an opportunity to cure the defect alleged.
646.355 Use of informal dispute settlement procedure as condition for remedy; binding effect on manufacturer.
If the manufacturer has established or participates in an informal dispute settlement procedure that substantially complies with the provisions of Title 16, Code of Federal Regulations, Part 703, as from time to time amended, and causes the consumer to be notified of the procedure, ORS 646.335 concerning refunds or replacement shall not apply to any consumer who has not first resorted to the procedure. A decision resulting from arbitration pursuant to the informal dispute settlement procedure shall be binding on the manufacturer.
646.357 Informal dispute settlement procedure; recordkeeping; review by Department of Justice.
A manufacturer which has established or participates in an informal dispute settlement procedure shall keep records of all cases submitted to the procedure under ORS 646.355 and shall make the records available to the Department of Justice if the department requests them. The department may review all case records kept under this section to determine whether or not the arbitrators are complying with the provisions of ORS 646.315 to 646.375 in reaching their decisions.
646.359 Judicial review; damages; attorney fees.
If a consumer appeals to a court from a decision resulting from the informal dispute settlement procedure established by ORS 646.355 because the consumer was not granted one of the remedies specified in ORS 646.335 (1), and the consumer is granted one of the specified remedies by the court, the consumer shall also be awarded up to three times the amount of any damages if the court finds that the manufacturer did not act in good faith in the dispute settlement procedure.
If a consumer brings an action under ORS 646.315 to 646.375 against a manufacturer who has not established informal dispute settlement procedures and the consumer is granted one of the remedies specified in ORS 646.335 (1), the consumer shall also be awarded three times the amount of the damages.
The court may award reasonable attorney fees to the prevailing party in an appeal or action under this section.
646.361 Limitations on actions against dealers.
Nothing in ORS 646.315 to 646.375 creates a cause of action by a consumer against a vehicle dealer.
A manufacturer may not join a dealer as a party in any proceeding brought under ORS 646.315 to 646.375, nor may the manufacturer try to collect from a dealer any damages assessed against the manufacturer in a proceeding brought under ORS 646.315 to 646.375.
646.365 Limitation on commencement of action.
Any action brought under ORS 646.315 to 646.375 shall be commenced within one year following whichever period ends earlier:
The period ending on the date on which the mileage on the motor vehicle reaches 12,000 miles; or
The period of one year following the date of the original delivery of the motor vehicle to the consumer.
646.375 Remedies supplementary to existing statutory or common law remedies; election of remedies.
Nothing in ORS 646.315 to 646.375 is intended in any way to limit the rights or remedies that are otherwise available to a consumer under any other law. However, if the consumer elects to pursue any other remedy in state or federal court, the remedy available under ORS 646.315 to 646.375 shall not be available insofar as it would result in recovery in excess of the recovery authorized by ORS 646.335 without proof of fault resulting in damages in excess of such recovery.
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a Federal Law that protects the buyer of any product which costs more than $25 and comes with an express written warranty. This law applies to any product that you buy that does not perform as it should.
Your car is a major investment, rationalized by the peace of mind that flows from its expected dependability and safety. Accordingly, you are entitled to expect an automobile properly constructed and regulated to provide reasonably safe, trouble-free, and dependable transportation â€" regardless of the exact make and model you bought. Unfortunately, sometimes these principles do not hold true and defects arise in automobiles. Although one defect is not actionable, repeated defects are as there exists a generally accepted rule that unsuccessful repair efforts render the warrantor liable. Simply put, there comes a time when “enough is enough†â€" when after having to take your car into the shop for repairs an inordinate number of times and experiencing all of the attendant inconvenience, you are entitled to say, ‘That’s all,’ and revoke, notwithstanding the seller’s repeated good faith efforts to fix the car. The rationale behind these basic principles is clear: once your faith in the vehicle is shaken, the vehicle loses its real value to you and becomes an instrument whose integrity is impaired and whose operation is fraught with apprehension. The question thus becomes when is “enoughâ€?
As you know, enough is never enough from your warrantor’s point of view and you should simply continue to have your defective vehicle repaired â€" time and time again. However, you are not required to allow a warrantor to tinker with your vehicle indefinitely in the hope that it may eventually be fixed. Rather, you are entitled to expect your vehicle to be repaired within a reasonable opportunity. To this end, both the federal Moss Warranty Act, and the various state “lemon laws,†require repairs to your vehicle be performed within a reasonable opportunity.
Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, a warrantor should perform adequate repairs in at least two, and possibly three, attempts to correct a particular defect. Further, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act’s reasonableness requirement applies to your vehicle as a whole rather than to each individual defect that arises. Although most of the Lemon Laws vary from state to state, each individual law usually require a warrantor to cure a specific defect within four to five attempts or the automobile as a whole within thirty days. If the warrantor fails to meet this obligation, most of the lemon laws provide for a full refund or new replacement vehicle. Further, this reasonable number of attempts/reasonable opportunity standard, whether it be that of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act or that of the Lemon Laws, is akin to strict liability â€" once this threshold has been met, the continued existence of a defect is irrelevant and you are still entitled to relief.
One of the most important parts of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is its fee shifting provision. This provision provides that you may recover the attorney fees incurred in the prosecution of your case if you are successful â€" independent of how much you actually win. That rational behind this fee shifting provision is to twofold: (1) to ensure you will be able to vindicate your rights without having to expend large sums on attorney's fees and (2) because automobile manufacturers are able to write off all expenses of defense as a legitimate business expense, whereas you, the average consumer, obviously does not have that kind of economic staying power. Most of the Lemon Laws contain similar fee shifting provisions.
You may also derive additional warranty rights from the Uniform Commercial Code; however, the Code does not allow you in most states to recover your attorney fees and is also not as consumer friendly as the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act or the various state lemon laws.
This isn't a lemon; it's buyer's remorse because it's not running after 6 weeks of use. The previous owner probably had no more clue this was going to happen than you did if you haven't noticed something amiss over that period of time.
If I had to guess, I'd say you need a new radiator, but to have it "pour" out the bottom is perplexing. I googled "coolant pours out" and found a possible cause being hose disconnected. How do you "know" it's not a hose?
Good luck; car repairs are obnoxious, inconvenient, and expensive. :(
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Oldsmobile-Buick-792/leaking-coolant-1.htm
there's no lemon law on a 16 year old vehicle, All vehicles that old have some problems, that's why used cars get cheaper the older they get.
My question for you is how much did you pay for this thing that you are making payments? the car isn't worth that much.
Anyway, there really isn't anything you can do other than pay to get it fixed. It's your car now, its not the responsibility of the previous owner to pay for your repairs. Its still cheaper than a newer vehicle though.
Lemon laws apply to new, not used, cars.
Did you get a warranty on your 16 year old used car? If not, you bought it as is, and any repairs needed after you take delivery would be your responsibility. And your neighbor can't tow your vehicle in Oregon unless he happens to be a towing company, it's against the law.
Even if you did have a new car, you wouldn't be under lemon law yet...
Oregon lemon law
United States car lemon laws were enacted to protect consumers against buying defective, unrepairable vehicles. The major automobile manufacturers mass-produce their products, and generally the quality control is very good. However, when you connect more than a few parts together, you have a chance for a lemon.
What is a lemon car? A lemon or lemon car is an automobile that has a defect that cannot be repaired by the consumer after a reasonable number of attempts. Alternately, if the car has been in a repair garage for 30 calendar days or more for repairs on the same defect, it may also be classified as a lemon car.
Go find a real mechanic, not a big box store, and find out what is wrong and how much it will cost you to fix it, and fix it. In the mean time don't miss a payment.
Obviously it hasn't been in as a new vehicle for the same repair more than 3 times...so...
The lemon law only applies to new cars, not used. Unfortunatley you will have to eat the cost of repairs. however if you purchased an extended warranty from the dealer you would have some coverage, but on a 1991 I would seriously doubt it. If you live in the portland area, I would reccommend a auto shop that is pretty good. They are located in Clackamas, off of hwy 212 and 122nd and it is called 212 auto. Good luck
Here is a website with Oregon lemmon law: http://www.lemonlawamerica.com/state_laws/oregon.htm
usually you ahve 3 days, which you have exceeded, unless oregon has some absurdly long time, which is highly doubtful that you are still protected. you bought the car used, took a gamble, and there really isn't much for you to do.
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